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comgayle

5/22/2013 10:32:53 pm

I Have Started To Grow Olefiera Plants In Tampa Florida.I Have 28. I Have Replanted To Larger Pots After 6 Weeks. My Plants Are Losing Leaves But Still Producing New Growth. Is This Normal? Yellow Leaves Are Showing Too.

Jason "Pepe"

5/23/2013 01:33:26 pm

Yellow leaves often indicate too much water so consider that possibility.

You should use 5-1-1 Fish emulsion and Epsoma 4--3-3 Organic fertilizer or similar. Alternate using them every two weeks. Make sure you get the plants acclimated to full sun as soon as possible and you should see improvement. Best wishes.

You can also consider our Organikthrive worm compost blend available soon. It is amazing!
http://www.organikthrive.com

Andrew link

5/26/2013 08:44:16 pm

Hi comgayle,

Jason is right yellow leaves indicated excess of water...here is nice article i came across on how to grow moringa tree : https://naturesmoringa.com/how-to-grow-moringa-oleifera-tree/

Geraldine link

5/27/2013 08:07:12 pm

Moringa Oleifera is the best!

donovan

7/21/2013 03:25:01 am

We live at 7500 feet in New Mexico and from all I've read, the moringa olefiera tree would not last in the winters here. We are in the southern Rockies, so it can get cold here in the winter. But we would love to try it and see how they do. We don't have humid weather either.

I did read an article somewhere on making them annual trees, i.e., plant every year but that didn't sound too feasible either.

We may get some seeds and give it try. We'd love to have the benefits of the trees here. I know we could get the powders or pills but the trees would also act as wind breaks when pruned or hedges.

Any ideas on this?

Thanks

Jason

7/21/2013 07:52:36 am

Grow the PKM 1 hybrid. The variety is fast growing. Excellent annual crop.

donovan

7/21/2013 08:22:05 am

I'd like to try it. Is it ready yet? I got the impression you weren't quite there yet. :)

I didn't see it on your site or missed it.

thanks!!!

donovan

7/21/2013 08:22:27 am

I'd like to try it. Is it ready yet? I got the impression you weren't quite there yet. :)

I didn't see it on your site or missed it.

thanks!!!

Hasan Mahboob

12/11/2016 10:42:34 pm

I live in Sydney, Australia. My moringa plant is very healthy with lots of green leaves, branches and lors of flowers but NO pods. Any suggestions we hy? Thank you

Warner

9/21/2015 07:13:34 am

Any luck in New Mexico at 7500' elevation? That describes my place as well. 12" precipitation/yr, highs 97F briefly, lows in winter Zone 5, -20F degrees occasionally.

John link

10/6/2020 03:56:06 pm

build an 8 ft by 12 ft by 10 ft high wall by 12ft high center or peak outbuilding FRAME with a man door or an opening that size giving you access. No floor is needed . At the other end frame in a 4ft by 3 ft high window and leave it open.

Get a roll of the most heavy duty building grade CLEAR plastic and drape it over the top of the peak from one side to the other. Leaving a 2 ft over hang on both sides ATTHE BOTTOM. You will cover the over hang with Soil. cover both ends with the same material. You will use 1" by 1/4" thick boards to secure and frame the ends.

You only need to keep the floor temp at between 40 and 50 degrees and that can be done putting a pellet smoker in there during the cold days. During the many sunny days you have, the sun shinning on the clear plastic will keep it very warm.

The main thing is keeping the enclosure wind proof. If you want more details, send me an email and I will address your concerns/questions.

Jason

7/22/2013 12:19:57 am

We do not have seed at this time. Try and find some on line. We just started new seedlings of PKM1.

Jason

8/7/2013 01:25:09 pm

We now have Moringa Oleifera seeds in stock! PKM1 also available!

Jason

8/7/2013 01:26:14 pm

We now have seed available!

Jeff, North Fl.

8/22/2013 04:36:10 am

I would like to grow these trees, how much cold will they take ?
It gets to around 17-20 deg in the winter
thanks

Jason P

8/22/2013 11:07:29 pm

That would be way to cold unless you grow the PKM1 as an annual during the spring and summer. Take care!

Vanessa Salazar

8/22/2013 10:24:55 pm

Hi where are you located I live in Orlando and would love to see your for sale trees! (407) 6832379 Vanessa

Jason

8/22/2013 11:08:43 pm

Find us at one of our locations by visiting http://www.pepesplants.com
Thanks

Jason Pepe link

8/27/2013 02:06:44 pm

You can find us in Hollywood Florida SAturdays and Sundays at the Yellow Green Farmers Market. Section 19. (9am-5pm)
954-740-4070
Take care.

pat

8/26/2013 02:10:01 am

i live in santos brazil. do you ship the pkm-1 over-seas? winters average 17-19C. if you can ship downd here is there an expedited shipper you can use? cheers

Jason link

8/27/2013 01:55:15 pm

Sorry Ms Vanessa we can not ship plants or seeds outside of the United States at this time.

Jason Pepe link

8/27/2013 01:57:16 pm

Sorry Pat we can not ship plants or seeds outside of the United States at this time.

Matthew

8/27/2013 07:41:20 am

FYI Moringa Stenopetala typically grows at a much, much slower rate than M. Oleifera. The ones I have grow at less than half the rate. However, it is much easier to manage these trees and keep them low and bushy. Lastly, as a different variety there are chemical and nutritional differences between Oleifera and Stenopetala.

Jaso Pepe link

8/27/2013 02:04:06 pm

Matthew,

You are 100% right on. These Moringa Stenopetala are very slow. I recently changed the soil ratio by adding 60% sand and a blend of peat and sawdust. Much faster growth and looking great now. M.oleifera are almost 10 foot tall in the same 7 months time.

Glad to have you here on the Discussion Board.

When I have time I will post some images of Stenopetala on the main page of this site. They are looking bushier more compact and very healthy.

Roberta Peck

3/29/2015 10:16:41 am

Moringa stenopetala leaves should not be grown as food since leaves have a substance which overtime does progressive damage to liver. Only leaves of Moringa Oliefera has proven healthful with continuous use. Since this is a relatively new health promoting plant, this difference is not widely knownwith sources selling both types of seeds and plants.

Siggi

9/2/2013 09:53:50 am

Is PKM1 an annual that needs to be replanted every year?

Jason link

9/2/2013 12:59:40 pm

So far these so called annual PKM1 have grown for us in Florida into a second summer and produced pods. They appear to be more bushy and productive than regular Moringa oleifera. The first batch of seed was provided to us from a local grower that we trust. This year we imported PKM1 from India via USDA regulations.

According to the supplier they are considered pure line true to seed types and they describe them as annual in habit. These are growing well and appear to be just like the first local PKM1 seeds we grew.

I guess we shall all find out soon. Be sure to save seed if you are growing the PKM1. One never knows for sure until they try.

Kish

7/31/2014 04:53:12 am

Hey Jason,

I am having an issue with my Moringa plant. It has grown linearly very well it's about 4ft tall in a container. It gets good sunlight and adequate water I think but I get no pods at all. Every year the plant flowers but no pods, to this day I have not had any production. Any suggestions on what to do to stimulate production?

Thanks

Jason

7/31/2014 11:16:34 pm

Kish,

4 foot and in a container for several years. I assume it was seed grown. Are you sure it is Oleifera? Stenopetala can take 3 years to flower and a slower grower. Does your plant attract bees when flowering? Moringa Oleifera is very fast growing so have you been trimming the tree to maintain it small? How thick is the caliper of the trunk? You could increase Potassium a little bit and increase the Phosphorus. Are the flowers falling off or do they develop tiny pods then fall off? Just some suggestions hard to answer for sure. You may have one plant that is just not fertile.

Kish

8/1/2014 04:58:17 am

Jason,

Yeah the plant is about 4 years old grown from seed that I "smuggled" over from India haha. From what you are telling me it's very possible it is stenopetala. There has been no trimming whatsoever. The trunk is maybe about the size of a half dollar in thickness, so overall it's very small. Each year it flowers turns green, I have noticed bees hovering but sparsely. There has never been any pod, only flowers that fall off after sometime.

Any suggestions besides the potassium and phosphorous? I will give that a go and see what happens, it's been frustrating to be so patient with it and have no yield. Do you think I should order some of the PKM1 just to supplant my tree in case it never becomes very fertile?

What is the time span looking like seed to first pod growth with the PKM1?

Kish

8/1/2014 04:58:25 am

Kish

8/1/2014 04:58:52 am

Kish

8/1/2014 04:58:59 am

Jason,

Yeah the plant is about 4 years old grown from seed that I "smuggled" over from India haha. From what you are telling me it's very possible it is stenopetala. There has been no trimming whatsoever. The trunk is maybe about the size of a half dollar in thickness, so overall it's very small. Each year it flowers turns green, I have noticed bees hovering but sparsely. There has never been any pod, only flowers that fall off after sometime.

Any suggestions besides the potassium and phosphorous? I will give that a go and see what happens, it's been frustrating to be so patient with it and have no yield. Do you think I should order some of the PKM1 just to supplant my tree in case it never becomes very fertile?
What is the time span looking like seed to first pod growth with the PKM1?

Kish

8/1/2014 04:59:38 am

Jason,
Yeah the plant is about 4 years old grown from seed that I "smuggled" over from India haha. From what you are telling me it's very possible it is stenopetala. There has been no trimming whatsoever. The trunk is maybe about the size of a half dollar in thickness, so overall it's very small. Each year it flowers turns green, I have noticed bees hovering but sparsely. There has never been any pod, only flowers that fall off after sometime.
Any suggestions besides the potassium and phosphorous? I will give that a go and see what happens, it's been frustrating to be so patient with it and have no yield. Do you think I should order some of the PKM1 just to supplant my tree in case it never becomes very fertile?
What is the time span looking like seed to first pod growth with the PKM1?

Kish

8/1/2014 05:00:29 am

My apologies for posting that multiple times there was some error

MatthewC

8/1/2014 05:27:46 am

At 4 years old your Moringa trunk should be several inches in diameter. Moringa's like a deep pot and if your plant can't put out deep roots it may be an issue. I planted 15 trees (both Stanopetala and Oliefera) three years ago. Most trees are strong, but some of the trees are stunted and did not grow hardy, just four ft. away from hardy trees. No idea why. I would suggest trying different seed. The plants should be tall and strong in less than a year.

MatthewC

8/1/2014 05:30:14 am

One other thought; from experience I can say that vermicompost and /or Ocean Solution make for a healthier tastier plant. http://www.oceansolution.com/ I use both.

Bali Trees

8/5/2014 04:23:09 pm

Yes I find vermicompost works effectively. It produces so many roots.

Bali Trees

8/4/2014 10:58:27 pm

I'm growing about 50 trees. I would prefer to grow from seed. Who can ship non GMO seeds to Bali? We grow with the Balinese villagers. Short pieces may not ever sprout. How do you deal with termites? I use vermicompost every two days dissolved in water.

dee

8/9/2015 06:12:19 am

You mentioned pruning the tap room for container growing. When is the best time of year to do this? I live in a region that is 90+ degrees right now and gets down to the upper 30's in the winter. Long summer, short winter.

Shelly

8/6/2016 07:40:28 pm

Good Day, I would like to know when is the ideal time to prune a Moringa tree that is grown in a Caribbean climate? Secondly, can the tree be prune if it has now started flowering? My tree is about 7 feet tall. Thank you.

Jason

8/6/2016 08:27:33 pm

When growing the tree decide if you want to grow for leaves or for pods. For leaves keep pinching the tips and after the tree reaches six feet you can cut off three feet. This will keep the tree branching and bushy. Lots of leaves.

For pods let the tree grow and prune to maintain a clean canopy with plenty of outward branches. You want good air circulation.

Now that the tree is flowering do not prune it if you want pods.

Please look around at the tips on pruning on the site. www.bestmoringatrees.com

Thanks,

Jason

Shelly

8/6/2016 09:22:14 pm

Thank you Jason for your quick and informative response.

I grew the tree for the leaves for consumption for myself and my chickens (which they so love to eat). I do not fancy the pods. I want the tree to be keep at a maximum of 5 feet tall, as I am 5 feet 1 inch in height :)

I have another question.

With regards to the Moringa tree root system. Will the tree roots cause structural damage to a house if it is planted, say 8 feet away and kept at 5 feet in height?

Thank you.

Jason

8/7/2016 07:28:35 am

Hi Shelly,

Always a good idea to be away from any foundation with large trees. Eight feet is fine from what I have seen with the Moringa oleifera.

The tree develops a tap root, swollen tubers and lateral roots.

I have yet to see damage to a structure from the roots. That being said please understand this is an opinion and not a guarantee.

Enjoy growing Moringa and I bet your chickens lay the most nutritious eggs. :-)

David Pressler link

10/29/2016 07:24:13 am

I have many moringa trees and now one has a bulb that looks like a brown squash? What is it?

Senthilkumar Sakthivel

4/12/2017 06:15:55 pm

Hi Jason,
I live in Atlanta GA. Is there any cold hardy variety available, so that it can withstand lower temperature. Occasionally it goes to freezing temp high 20s F in Atlanta during the winter.
Also, curious to know from which region towards south GA, it can be grown throughout the year outside.
Thanks again for all the tips I got from your above answers.
Senthil

Jason Pepe

4/12/2017 06:44:51 pm

They will all freeze so re planting new seeds is best. Some people report that if they are cut back to the ground and insulated much like fig trees up north they will come back in the spring. You can also take large three foot cuttings keep indoors and replant in spring. Hope that helps and best wishes growing Moringa trees.

David Miller

2/28/2019 06:18:46 am

I wanted to reply to your reply simply because I did not know how often you check this forum. I just posted a comment today 2/28/2019.
Thanks
Dave Miller

Simeon Taylor

5/8/2017 08:09:01 pm

if you are planting moringa plants both for harvesting the leaves and the seeds, how long does it take before the plant develops seeds for eating? and after you harvest leaves from the plants will the plant regenerate more leaves so you dont have to set back more seeds and plants every-time you harvest

Sarah

9/7/2017 03:14:44 pm

Hi Jason,

I have a Moringa Oleifera tree currently growing in a 5 gallon bucket. I let it grow to 6 feet in height, then I trimmed it to 3 feet. I would like to keep my tree at a height of 4 feet and in a pot.

I would like to know:
1) How to properly trim the tap root?

2) What is an ideal size pot for a 4 feet tree?

Looking forward to reading your response.

Heather G

10/21/2017 11:00:32 am

Hi
I've had two Moringa Olefiera trees in pots for about a year and a half. They are really tall now, I'd say approximately ten feet. They're doing well, no problems with them. Just that they shot up really quickly and nicely after repotting about six months ago. I recently began reading about keeping them pruned, which I will do with my five other seedlings that I've recently acquired. My question to you is, .....is it too late to prune the first two trees?

jimmy watson

7/22/2018 06:37:16 am

I'm a cancer patient, in 2012 Doctors refused me chemo or radiation I've been taking Oliefiera since September 2013, have few tress in backyard flowers but fall off when pods form, I live in Louisiana...PS I have or had Stage 4 Spindle Cell, Q: how to keeps small pods from falling off

David Miller

2/28/2019 06:16:44 am

I have started some Moringa seeds and most came up. I read to limit the watering and I have watered them once a week or less. After the seeds were up 3-4 inches I transplanted them to a gallon pot. They seemed to be doing well and most up over 10 inches with several branches. But now, several have leaves that are turning yellow and others have new growth but the leaves on the new growth are shriveling. I would love to be able to send some pics to someone so they could see what I am seeing and hopefully have a quick solution.
right now I have the plants in one of my bedrooms next to a window because we are still have temps that get to freezing occasionally.
Thanks so much
Dave Miller.

Jason Pepe link

2/28/2019 08:36:26 am

They don't like the cold. Yellowing is often a sign of over watering or cold drafts etc. Also a little fertilizer NPK. You can also place a heat mat under the plant. Acclimate them to the outdoors soon as weather improves. Start in filtered light then gradually out to full sun.

Marissa link

5/10/2019 05:58:31 pm

Thank you for making this discussion board Jason!

Jason Pepe

5/10/2019 06:56:51 pm

Welcome Marissa, I hope you found value in the information, comments etc. Happy growing.

Jeff

5/14/2019 05:48:40 am

Ordered seeds.....planted according to your YouTube video. No germination. Planted any way I could imagine...potting soil, garden soil, garden soil and compost, clay and garden soil. Now one seed has germinated. However, the Sunn Hemp has sprouted easy.
Frustrating here in Arizona.

Jason Tormo

5/14/2019 03:14:21 pm

Jeff,

Please email me at ggpalms@gmail.com and I will send you more seeds. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Jason Pepe

Jason

5/14/2019 03:16:15 pm

The seeds will rot if too deep or too wet. Contact me at the email below and I will be happy to send you more seeds at no charge.

Mary Sanborn

7/28/2019 08:56:07 am

I'm in zone 8b maritime PNW and want to grow Moringa in pots to overwinter in a greenhouse. I'm growing for leaves. You say to prune the taproot. My question is how much? I just received 2 seedlings to plant in 3 gal pots. Don't want to kill 'em.

Pepe's Fruit Trees

7/28/2019 12:01:33 pm

I cut them on young seedlings with a scissor. About 1/2 inch should be fine. Lots of people cut tap roots for container grown plants. All the best. I pinch the tap roots with my fingers when young seedlings also.

Jillian link

4/20/2020 12:26:48 pm

Hi there! I have a 4 foot potted moringa that I brought in 4 years ago as a seedling from Ghana (it was a gift!). As I'm in Ontario, it stays indoors all winter, but come May I bring it outside. It has outgrown the pot, so I'm looking to transplant it to an 18 inch pot soon. Should I use potting mix for this?

Any other tips, beyond ensuring the tap root is cut (Saw that in another video). It has 4 branches with some nice blooms but no leaves in the past year, which is too bad. It's unhappy and I'm hoping it's new home will mean new leaves. Thanks for any advice!

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